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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I also agree about Griffin.

I think Mann has played well for Cardiff. Personally I'd like to have seen Plumtree involved though. He and Mann both have the dog needed at this level.

In defence of Ben Thomas - watching the Cardiff games, he does stand out as a class above most of the other players. He just has more time, does a lot of little things well. I think the criticism he receives is a bit much and potentially rooted in the fact there are several Scarlets players who offer alternatives. But just IMHO.



Cannot disagree. Mann & Thomas have played well for Cardiff this season. I am glad Cracknells involved as he has been excellent for Tigers for two seasons. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scrletsfan32x Scrletsfan32x wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

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Give me strength, Assirati, Ben Thomas, Mann and Belcher. Another hammering inbound. Has Tandy seen Assirati’s scrummaging over the past few years.


My first reaction was the same but then I ask the following questions - Assiratti plays most weeks Griffin is 4th choice at Bath, Ben Thomas is better than Tompkins & what has Hawkins done to take the shirt, is Plumtree a better bet than Mann? Who else is there with Ryan & Dee injured? 

I would have gone with Cracknell at 8 with Wainwright at 6 but let’s face it we are at rock bottom & floundering. I wish Tandy luck - he is going to need it. 
Backrow I agree with you, Cracknell at 8 and Wainwright at 6. I would of selected Henry Thomas over Assirati in the original squad and would still select Griffin over him despite him being 4th choice at Bath (I would love if we signed him) Ben Thomas I have just simply never seen the hype in him IMO, I would of gone for Hawkins not because he plays for the Scarlets but he’s a better player overall. You are correct we are at rock bottom.

I agree with you about Griffin - he's 24 & needs to be playing week in week out. Love to sign him. Think Henry Thomas' age is against him possibly.
Not sure Sela is ahead of Griffin yet in rugby terms but given the credit system on top of the salary cap in the Prem there are incentives to play English qualified players and get them in the international system. Griffin has a big call as last season he was starting some Premiership cup and European games and probably won’t get that chance while Bath see if Sela can step up - but equally Bath will be reluctant to let him go until they have figured that out and probably like the luxury of 2 top tight heads and 2 developing players.
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two props that scrum two centres that cam’t tackle great
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I also agree about Griffin.

I think Mann has played well for Cardiff. Personally I'd like to have seen Plumtree involved though. He and Mann both have the dog needed at this level.

In defence of Ben Thomas - watching the Cardiff games, he does stand out as a class above most of the other players. He just has more time, does a lot of little things well. I think the criticism he receives is a bit much and potentially rooted in the fact there are several Scarlets players who offer alternatives. But just IMHO.


He’s never stood out in a Welsh shirt nothing to do with Scarlets bias as I agree none of our centres deserve to be there on form. apparently Tomkins ripping up the Premiership and as we all know that’s a class above the URC. Kieran Williams would also have been a better option playing well for Ospreys. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scrletsfan32x Scrletsfan32x wrote:

Give me strength, Assirati, Ben Thomas, Mann and Belcher. Another hammering inbound. Has Tandy seen Assirati’s scrummaging over the past few years.


My first reaction was the same but then I ask the following questions - Assiratti plays most weeks Griffin is 4th choice at Bath, Ben Thomas is better than Tompkins & what has Hawkins done to take the shirt, is Plumtree a better bet than Mann? Who else is there with Ryan & Dee injured? 

I would have gone with Cracknell at 8 with Wainwright at 6 but lets face it we are at rock bottom & floundering. I wish Tandy luck - he is going to need it. 


Plumtree injured in training apparently, otherwise, he would have been involved.
Looks to me like a Sherratt team selection with Tandy acting as defense coach. Back row selected for defending. But the back line looks very weak defensively. Maybe we will dee a Tandy influence that changes that?
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Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
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Argentina Team 

Argentina: S Carreras; Delguy, Piccardo, Chocobares, M Carreras; Prisciantelli, Benitez Cruz; Vivas, Montoya (capt), Delgado, Petti, Kremer, Matera, JM Gonzalez, Oviedo.

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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
My thoughts exactly.
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Too bad Plumtree was injured in training, if Seagultaf is correct - I'd have had him in for his lineout work, general dog and X-factor nuisance value - of course, there's always the risk of a card that goes with that. 

Quite a few 50:50 calls have gone Cardiff's way this time... we'll see how they get on. I won't claim that the alternatives are clearly any better. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scrletsfan32x Scrletsfan32x wrote:

Give me strength, Assirati, Ben Thomas, Mann and Belcher. Another hammering inbound. Has Tandy seen Assirati’s scrummaging over the past few years.

My first reaction was the same but then I ask the following questions - Assiratti plays most weeks Griffin is 4th choice at Bath, Ben Thomas is better than Tompkins & what has Hawkins done to take the shirt, is Plumtree a better bet than Mann? Who else is there with Ryan & Dee injured? 

I would have gone with Cracknell at 8 with Wainwright at 6 but lets face it we are at rock bottom & floundering. I wish Tandy luck - he is going to need it. 
The fact hes 4th choice at Bath says a lot about how strong Bath are.
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
id oick williAms ahead of thomas any day,  not that is saying a lot. thomas is defensivly dreadful and lacks gas. williams a right handful but is  under sized for test rugby
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
id oick williAms ahead of thomas any day,  not that is saying a lot. thomas is defensivly dreadful and lacks gas. williams a right handful but is  under sized for test rugby


The stats don't back up your argument. Yes, Williams has made more metres, but less clean breaks and the carries per minute arent much more. Says more about the way Cardiff and Ospreys use them both respectfully. 

But Thomas's defense is marginally better. 
 

Key Stats

4
Defenders Beaten
8
31
Successful Passes
27
83%
Tackles Completed
79%
2
Line Breaks
0
21
Carries
41
1
Tries
2

Attack

7
Points
10
1
Tries
2
2
Line Breaks
0
21
Carries
41
0.11
Carries Per Minute
0.17
48
Metres Carried
120
4
Defenders Beaten
8
1
Turnovers Won
0
4
Defenders Beaten
8
48
Touches
63
46
Post Contact Metres
103

Defence

24
Tackles Made
27
83%
Tackles Completed
79%
2
Dominant Tackles
2
0.13
Tackles Per Minute
0.11
1
Turnovers Won
0
25%
Ruck Arrival Effectiveness
0

Discipline

3
Penalties Conceded
1
0
Yellow Cards
0
1
Red Cards
0
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
id oick williAms ahead of thomas any day,  not that is saying a lot. thomas is defensivly dreadful and lacks gas. williams a right handful but is  under sized for test rugby

But I would agree that I don't think either are the best option long-term by far. Thomas makes a good bench player though for cover. 
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Debating about Kieran or Ben is a little pointless now. The decision has been made. This Argentinian front 5 is a long way from their strongest so our scrum could be stable. Their forward strengths lie from 5-8 so I expect them to look to play quickly & wide. Their 10 is inexperienced but good. In Chocabares at 12 they have, along with Menancello of Italy, in my mind the best 12 around now in World rugby. 

If they are accurate whoever is in that Welsh midfield is in for a workout. Edwards & Thomas are not renowned for their defence so the 10/12 channel will get their attention with the Argentinian blindside runners looking to flood the 13 channel. Roof open & prey for bad weather & they could hold them. 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Happy with a defensive pack - we'll need it!

Thomas is a much better player with a much wider skillset and much higher ceiling than Keiron Williams. I don't know if Thomas would be my long-term 12 for Wales (I think Emmanuel will be there in a few years if he stays at 12). I would also say Eddie James has potential as a different option if he can get some form. But I can see why he's in there.
id oick williAms ahead of thomas any day,  not that is saying a lot. thomas is defensivly dreadful and lacks gas. williams a right handful but is  under sized for test rugby


The stats don't back up your argument. Yes, Williams has made more metres, but less clean breaks and the carries per minute arent much more. Says more about the way Cardiff and Ospreys use them both respectfully. 

But Thomas's defense is marginally better. 
I will give you one stat, Thomas has had many chances at international level and come up wanting Williams has not had the chance he deserves. 

Key Stats

4
Defenders Beaten
8
31
Successful Passes
27
83%
Tackles Completed
79%
2
Line Breaks
0
21
Carries
41
1
Tries
2

Attack

7
Points
10
1
Tries
2
2
Line Breaks
0
21
Carries
41
0.11
Carries Per Minute
0.17
48
Metres Carried
120
4
Defenders Beaten
8
1
Turnovers Won
0
4
Defenders Beaten
8
48
Touches
63
46
Post Contact Metres
103

Defence

24
Tackles Made
27
83%
Tackles Completed
79%
2
Dominant Tackles
2
0.13
Tackles Per Minute
0.11
1
Turnovers Won
0
25%
Ruck Arrival Effectiveness
0

Discipline

3
Penalties Conceded
1
0
Yellow Cards
0
1
Red Cards
0
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Even after a very poor start to the season and a million pound less funding still more squad players than the Dragons.
LRZ waste of bench place you are fit to start or don’t play, for me another forward on bench, we are going to need them.
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