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I’d like to see Beetham given a run at 15. Decent size and boot on him, might offer some aerial work. I love Murray but he isn’t a fullback.
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 



The stats were there if Wales bothered to look...plays on average for 47 minutes, tackle success of 73%.

Sarries have benched him in the last 2 games.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 



The stats were there if Wales bothered to look...plays on average for 47 minutes, tackle success of 73%.

Sarries have benched him in the last 2 games.




That seems a little shoddy then Wil especially deciding to start him. 
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Wales has to move to the NZ style where bigger players play up in junior rugby. There's enough big Welsh rugby players around but they've coasted so much for so long that they're just a bit soft and haven't developed enough.
I agree Wales should copy NZ....but not just in getting bigger/talented players to play up which I believe already goes on....but in it's emphasis on fitness.
The tempo they play at is astonishing. We're not the biggest nation so our number one focus should be on playing a high tempo fast game, which was always the Welsh way.



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Wales XV: Blair Murray; Louis Rees-Zammit, Max Llewellyn, Ben Thomas, Josh Adams; Dan Edwards, Tomos Williams; Nicky Smith, Dewi Lake (C), Archie Griffin, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Aaron Wainwright, Alex Mann, Olly Cracknell.

Replacements: Liam Belcher, Rhys Carre, Keiron Assiratti, Freddie Thomas, Taine Plumtree, Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans, Nick Tompkins
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Ben Thomas again, don’t these coaches learn anything.
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He's the best rugby player in Wales and is employed by the WRU owned Cardiff Rugby, of course he will be first name on the team sheet.!
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This has huge implications for next two matches it would be better for the long run if we lost against Japan, so we can end the careers of players who are not international standard. Unfortunately as long as we have Sherratt involved then we are knackered. 
Surely this was a game we needed to try people like Hawkins, Fender, Deaves and Davies. 
Picking Blair at 15 is not right either would have put him on bench and tried Beetham or even Rogers. 
What they have done is picked a back row with the wrong balance surely would be better to start with a genuine open side. 
The World Cup seeding is irrelevant as we will not get past group stages whether a second tier of third tier team. Even if we do we will be embarrassed by a tier one nation in the quarters. 
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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There was this debate on twitter and gwlad I think. We are a tier one nation, and will remain one regardless of rankings. The seeding rankings are bands. It does get confusing. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Wales XV: Blair Murray; Louis Rees-Zammit, Max Llewellyn, Ben Thomas, Josh Adams; Dan Edwards, Tomos Williams; Nicky Smith, Dewi Lake (C), Archie Griffin, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Aaron Wainwright, Alex Mann, Olly Cracknell.

Replacements: Liam Belcher, Rhys Carre, Keiron Assiratti, Freddie Thomas, Taine Plumtree, Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans, Nick Tompkins


Looks as if the coaches have gone for consistency in selection, with few changes. This can be a good idea, at times. Is it a good idea here? I think that I'm prepared to wait for the result before making a judgement on that!

FWIW, I would have moved Murray to the wing and chosen someone taller at 15... though presumably the Japanese backs will be shorter than the Argentina ones - or are they? The centres both did very little last week, so can be considered very lucky. Edwards didn't kick well either. 

In the forwards, it's a sensible call to start Smith. The lack of a 'proper' 7 could be a problem. Plumtree definitely deserves his place in the 23... so long as the new coaches can get him to control his enthusiasm and avoid giving away silly pens or a YC.
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As sad as it is, I can see Eddie Jones giving an instruction to go in hard and heavy on LRZ. If he lasts the duration I will be surprised.
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I'm still really frustrated by the lack of opportunities for Morgan Morse. We have a Pollock-esque talent and we can't even find a spot for him on the bench against Japan. Even AFTER losing Morgan. For me, it highlights the lack of progressive thinking in Welsh rugby. 

You could argue that some decisions in the backs fall into the same bracket. 
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There's a lot of noise around Morse not being in the 23 which I tend to agree with (although that would be instead of Mann for me), but he didn't start many games for the Ospreys last season and only started a few this season so I can only assume that Ospreys fans are equally frustrated with their own coaches selection choices.
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He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.
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Why have we picked 5 blindside flankers in our squad and no out and out 7?
Mann
Wainwright 
Cracknell
Thomas
Plumtree
Against Japan who will be throwing the ball around for fun?


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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

The comparison to Pollock is fair.
Pollock rarely starts for Saints.
He hasn't played much post Lions.

I'd have Morse on the bench but in place of a back.

We don't need a fly half on the bench if Thomas is starting.
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