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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

He's only started half of games in the last 2 seasons for his club does raise the question whether his coaches think he's ready, I do, but my coaching experience is just a tad below Tandy and Mark Jones!
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Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?
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Originally posted by Trostre Parc Boy Trostre Parc Boy wrote:

Why have we picked 5 blindside flankers in our squad and no out and out 7?
Mann
Wainwright 
Cracknell
Thomas
Plumtree
Against Japan who will be throwing the ball around for fun?
That’s classic Tandy, he used to do the same things for the Ospreys.

I can’t figure out how Ben Thomas is an international 12.
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?

Totally agree RBP. You can only be the coming man for so long!!!!!! This game would have been ideal. I would have started him at 7 with instructions to target the defensive breakdown & get into the wide channels whenever possible. The boy has got what it takes but its asking a lot to expect him to come in against the two best sides in the World & make a difference from the off. 

I would have also had Deaves on the bench in place of Plumtree or Thomas.
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Can’t figure Tandy out. He had multiple backrows in the squad, called up Cracknell, and now he’s starting over them. 
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I think it's because he's making decisions out of fear. We desperately need the win so he's gone for a pack that can hopefully out-bash them. Personally I think picking teams to combat an opposition rather than synergise your own style of play is a long-term recipe for disaster. 

So we're looking at trying to out-muscle Japan, one of the precious few teams we could attempt that against, and then we'll get smashed by NZ and SA. But I guess we should hold that 12th ranking place which is arguably THE most important thing.
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I think it's because he's making decisions out of fear. We desperately need the win so he's gone for a pack that can hopefully out-bash them. Personally I think picking teams to combat an opposition rather than synergise your own style of play is a long-term recipe for disaster. 

So we're looking at trying to out-muscle Japan, one of the precious few teams we could attempt that against, and then we'll get smashed by NZ and SA. But I guess we should hold that 12th ranking place which is arguably THE most important thing.
Perhaps, but then he selected Thomas at 12 and Murray at 15. Hawkins would have been a more robust 12. Or Hennessey.

Likewise Beetham is 6ft2 at fullback. Panic selections creeping in.
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Tony, I think he's less concerned about the backline size (obviously!). He said he wanted consistency across selection to build on what they've been doing. He (or Sherratt) clearly see Ben Thomas as key to that (sadly). The Murray pick is a surprise (maybe for his confidence?). 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Tony, I think he's less concerned about the backline size (obviously!). He said he wanted consistency across selection to build on what they've been doing. He (or Sherratt) clearly see Ben Thomas as key to that (sadly). The Murray pick is a surprise (maybe for his confidence?). 
Yeah I get that, I just don’t agree with then. Murray played 15 against Japan twice and they got the better of him. I’ve yet to see anything in Thomas suggesting he’s an international class 12.
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I've said some positive things about Ben Thomas in the past... and I think he makes an effective club player covering several positions but he's not ready to be an international 12 in the modern game.


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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?


I think perhaps other countries have enough talent in their packs to be able to experiment with a youngster in the pack.

We sadly don't have that.
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Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?


I think perhaps other countries have enough talent in their packs to be able to experiment with a youngster in the pack.

We sadly don't have that.
But if you don’t try them you will never know, I don’t see the point in picking a player like Beard when you have Fender or Davies in the squad. Same with picking Deaves in squad and then going with effectively three 6’s in back row. Then putting two other 6’s on bench, Freddie Thomas is a six not a lock. There is clearly one game plan if that doesn’t work we’re knackered. 
As for Ben Thomas it’s totally baffling. 

She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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Freddie Thomas has played lock 71% of the time for Gloucester. I guess the argument is two-fold though - International rugby is a step-up and you want your international locks to be playing there 100% of the time. 


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I don’t think Freddie has the size needed for international lock, as solid of a player as he is. You’re giving up height in the lineout, and ballast in the scrum. This is what Tandy always did, he put players like Lloyd Peers and James King at lock, and they had a powerpuff pack.
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

He's only started half of games in the last 2 seasons for his club does raise the question whether his coaches think he's ready, I do, but my coaching experience is just a tad below Tandy and Mark Jones!
Look at the team young Pollock was put into compared to the one young Morse will be immersed into...if he's picked for the SA game without even the England based players around him he's on a hiding to nothing.
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Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.
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