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Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Just done the maths - it amounts to an extra £5 a month on our council tax bill.

Can you show us the breakdown pls

It's in the article. It amounts to an extra £57 a year on the overall council tax bill.
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Just done the maths - it amounts to an extra £5 a month on our council tax bill.

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 amount that Llanelli Town Council will take from its ratepayers will rise from £943,717 to £1,450,000 in the next financial year 2023/24.

That means a Band D property will see their contribution to Llanelli Town Council rise from £106.26 to £163.55, which is a £57.29 hike for tax payers...that's per month

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No, that's a year.
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If the total budget for the town council comes to £1.5M for the year ... and there are around 10k c.tax paying households in the town (give or take) ... I think you've misread.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64739371

As much as I'm looking forward to the end of the current UK "government" I don't have any great expectations of the next. This is pretty plain vanilla stuff again from Starmer. He just seems to have this take which is "vote for us, we're the good guys." The ship is sinking my friend. What's the plan?
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No, that's a year.

54% is disgraceful 


Edited by Sir Duckling Tuft - 23 February 2023 at 9:54am
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Because the town council tax is a small part of the overall council tax bill ... like the police component. You appear confused? Check it again. It actually says in the parts you're quoting that the total is for the year. 

Edited by totallybiasedscarlet - 23 February 2023 at 9:52am
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Because the town council tax is a small part of the overall council tax bill ... like the police component. You appear confused? Check it again. It actually says in the parts you're quoting that the total is for the year. 

From my understanding TBS you are spot on. We are in the Carms., CC catchment for council tax & added to the overall majority amount which is set for the property band ( which is for everyone throughout the county) is added specific much smaller amounts for local councils - mine being the LLanybydder parish I think. That is the amount of £50+ being added per annum for the Llanelli T.C. 

Most county councils in Wales are going to raise council taxes by 5% to pay for the ever increasing social care budget. We all need to understand that if we want big ticket improvements in health & social services we have to pay. Your point with regards to overall tax levels within the UK compared to other European countries which amounts to £150 billion per year is spot on & should be the stated aim of the next government.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Because the town council tax is a small part of the overall council tax bill ... like the police component. You appear confused? Check it again. It actually says in the parts you're quoting that the total is for the year. 

From my understanding TBS you are spot on. We are in the Carms., CC catchment for council tax & added to the overall majority amount which is set for the property band ( which is for everyone throughout the county) is added specific much smaller amounts for local councils - mine being the LLanybydder parish I think. That is the amount of £50+ being added per annum for the Llanelli T.C. 

Most county councils in Wales are going to raise council taxes by 5% to pay for the ever increasing social care budget. We all need to understand that if we want big ticket improvements in health & social services we have to pay. Your point with regards to overall tax levels within the UK compared to other European countries which amounts to £150 billion per year is spot on & should be the stated aim of the next government.

Both TBS and GPR are spot on.
Our society is creaking at the seams.
I have said before on a previous post ,I would give the public the OPTION, through a ballot,
whether to pay a fixed levy for frontline NHS care, based on they can afford to pay
Ringfenced for that purpose ONLY.
It tough times economically, ATM , when some cannot afford to heat homes.
The last thing I would do , is force an unwelcome tax on people , whichever it happens.
If however ,you have been ,like myself, in an ambulance, for hours , and hours outside a manic A& E,
when your dearest and dearest (In this my wife). was critically ill, maybe the public will think hard.
We cannot go on like this as GPR has eloquently put it, and we have to make hard choices.
I remember the utter desperation and sheer helplessness I felt at the time.
Not something I wish for anyone, but so many have "been to this place", like me. 

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Thanks GPR. Just posted an image of a fairly recent bill I had. Hopefully that provides clarity. That point on the UK's tax/GDP ratio should be front and centre of our political discourse right now (along with the shocking corruption and incompetence of government) but it's not. The powers that be would far rather we all get animated by "culture wars" and whatever other chaff they put out there. The real issue is that the wealthy few are getting wealthier whilst the rest are going backwards. And it's not an accident or some quirk or inevitability of economics. It's a consequence of policy.
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Thanks GPR. Just posted an image of a fairly recent bill I had. Hopefully that provides clarity. That point on the UK's tax/GDP ratio should be front and centre of our political discourse right now (along with the shocking corruption and incompetence of government) but it's not. The powers that be would far rather we all get animated by "culture wars" and whatever other chaff they put out there. The real issue is that the wealthy few are getting wealthier whilst the rest are going backwards. And it's not an accident or some quirk or inevitability of economics. It's a consequence of policy.

Of course its a consequence of policy. We can all argue the rights & wrongs of the B word ( I am mindful that there are those among us who are fighting their own B battle at the moment so using the full word seems disrespectful) but I don't think any of us could argue that since that decision the policy & governance in the GB has been of the worst kind certainly in my living memory. 

I fully understand that tax is a dirty word - direct or indirect - but thoughtfully done making those with the broadest shoulders carry the biggest burden whilst others still contribute is the only way for us fix the wrongs in our society. Labour will never have a better chance to prove to the electorate that tax can be the correct policy thoughtfully conceived and carefully spent. 
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64739371

As much as I'm looking forward to the end of the current UK "government" I don't have any great expectations of the next. This is pretty plain vanilla stuff again from Starmer. He just seems to have this take which is "vote for us, we're the good guys." The ship is sinking my friend. What's the plan?

Will be interesting  to hear Starmers pledges. 
Creating a stable economy,  with investment,  as a clear target for growth, is top of the agenda. 
Not far behind  surely,  should the growth of a green energy  policy,
Creating jobs in the process. 
We at a crossroads  on this planet.
Future  generations  will despise us , unless we start getting  it right.

I totally  get what Totallybiasedscarlet,  says above,regarding  ' vanilla starmer ", BUT,his main task ATM is to win.
To do that , he clearly  has to inspire, but also doesn't  have to say too much into much detail yet.
Do'nt underestimate  the task which faces him and of course facing the Tory press, who will pounce  on every  opportunity  they can.
If this was a boxing match,  I would say to Starmer,  just keep your distance,  keep jabbing, your winning  on points , so no need to go for knock out blow yet.
You can  learn so much from the well intentioned,  but naive mistakes  Corbyn  make.
Sometimes,  not saying too much, is better.Wink
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Of course its a consequence of policy. We can all argue the rights & wrongs of the B word ( I am mindful that there are those among us who are fighting their own B battle at the moment so using the full word seems disrespectful) but I don't think any of us could argue that since that decision the policy & governance in the GB has been of the worst kind certainly in my living memory. 

I fully understand that tax is a dirty word - direct or indirect - but thoughtfully done making those with the broadest shoulders carry the biggest burden whilst others still contribute is the only way for us fix the wrongs in our society. Labour will never have a better chance to prove to the electorate that tax can be the correct policy thoughtfully conceived and carefully spent. 

When it comes to the B- word, it may surprise you to know that I was on the fence for a long time. There was this narrative on the Left that Corbyn became symbolic of, but stretched back to Benn and others, that the EU had become a largely neo-liberal structure and that our membership prevented the UK from pursuing socialist policies such as nationalisation of industries etc. I've a degree of sympathy with the point of view insofar as there's a cogent rationale even if I'm not 100% on board with the premise. Then there were the arguments about the (un)democratic nature of the commission. Again, there was fair criticism but once more, I couldn't get on board with the premise. I never agreed with the economic arguments but what did it for me was the exceptionalism, a sort of hangover of a different era - Britannia rules the waves jingoism. I accept that wasn't everyone's take but here's where I got swayed to vote remain. I looked at Farage and Rees-Mogg, Gove and Johnson, Redwood et al. I looked at their arguments and I came to the conclusion that they were a mix of British nationalism and self-interest. I'd trust that mob about as far as I can throw them and since they were championing leaving the EU I figured they had some hopeless mal-intent behind it.

For me, Brexit is tied up with the Tories almost entirely. It was a consequence of their internal strife and it was their people who were the big drivers behind it. That their governance of the UK is wholly inept is very much linked. It's about their vision for Britain and I can sum it up like this ... One singular British Nation, English in character, low tax, small state and a place to make a handsome profit. I just find it an anathema wrt my own values. In their attempts to impose this vision of theirs (via a minority vote it should be noted) they've inflicted the worst of their characters on us and given us corruption, poverty and dysfunction. 

I hope that explains why I dislike Brexit. I never believed that there was a viable alternative constitutional and economic offering on the table. You've often made the point that one is perfectly possible and to an extent I agree. It's just that it was never really on the cards and I was suspicious about what was. I think the shower at Westminster have proven my suspicions to be right. But there we are, it's a personal judgement in the end.
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I agree , the less starmer says the better , I honestly believe that it's not Tory party we have to worry about , it's the press .
People often don't care about parliament, but the influence of the press is enormous, it's not just the traditional right wing papers , Even the BBC and ITV are tainted and will not say a truthfull story ...They are fully controlled by the government's planted right wing supporters as governors and CEOs of these company ...Russian state TV is now no different to our BBC ..
So what will starmer do first ...

I really believe he has to make major changes to who is allowed to own the papers TV and press ...Murdoc has been a major influence in the UK and USA .....without making major change on this front , he will have no chance ....it takes me back when Tony Blair's first run up to power ...He mad piece with the sun , which inturn had Blair on the front of the sun newspaper everyday , which I am sure contributed to him becoming pm 
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64739371

As much as I'm looking forward to the end of the current UK "government" I don't have any great expectations of the next. This is pretty plain vanilla stuff again from Starmer. He just seems to have this take which is "vote for us, we're the good guys." The ship is sinking my friend. What's the plan?

Will be interesting  to hear Starmers pledges. 
Creating a stable economy,  with investment,  as a clear target for growth, is top of the agenda. 
Not far behind  surely,  should the growth of a green energy  policy,
Creating jobs in the process. 
We at a crossroads  on this planet.
Future  generations  will despise us , unless we start getting  it right.

I totally  get what Totallybiasedscarlet,  says above,regarding  ' vanilla starmer ", BUT,his main task ATM is to win.
To do that , he clearly  has to inspire, but also doesn't  have to say too much into much detail yet.
Do'nt underestimate  the task which faces him and of course facing the Tory press, who will pounce  on every  opportunity  they can.
If this was a boxing match,  I would say to Starmer,  just keep your distance,  keep jabbing, your winning  on points , so no need to go for knock out blow yet.
You can  learn so much from the well intentioned,  but naive mistakes  Corbyn  make.
Sometimes,  not saying too much, is better.Wink

That is what a lot of more "progressive" folk in Labour are saying. "Just wait till we're in government, all will be well". I guess I'm just frustrated. I want Britain to get on with the job of fixing/replacing all the broken and dysfunctional components of the State. I guess at the end of the day we all want better government. We'll talk more about this soon SP Smile
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