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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:

could we be looking at a situation where all 4 teams are maintained?


It would be the most Welsh rugby thing ever; to spend years agonising and millions wasted....to remain at 4 and effectively be in a worse position, with the exec board resigning. So yes.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

  1. Population - a tie, it's the same area covered by whoever wins
  2. Schools, university collaboration - see above. 
  3. Facilities and fan experience - we smash it
  4. Potential for corporate sponsorship and hospitality - we smash it
  5. Long term committed backers - we win, I'd say, given Y11's love of a merger or move to Cardiff and their CEO saying it was not viable in St Helens!!
  6. UK based directors, bank accounts and company HQ - we win
  7. Engagement with the community - if bums on seats is a metric, we win
  8. Geographical location and access for future customers - Tricky but St Helens probably edges it.
If I had to bet £50 on the outcome it wouldn't be on the Os


Hope you're right.

But if Reddin wants city teams, and he asks 2 teams to come up with a tender, he picks the city one.


The criteria has to be agreed by all applicants is how it was stated. So i cant see us agreeing to city status to be one of the criterias as automatically puts us out. Agreeing the criteria alone is going to take months. Then the tender itself is going to take months....I personally cant see this ending by end of next season. 

What I am more curious of though is what happens if Y11 now pull out of Cardiff due to all this backlash?
All eyes will be on WRU then to see what they do. As more, shall we say, favours, will be under an extreme microscope due to recent legal hearings etc. 
Will WRU simply close Cardiff down - as their own admission that they cannot afford to keep them so have to sell. I personally dont buy this they'd just sell to the other consortium as even that will take up many more months! 





The criteria will be absolutely fair. The WRU will be free to choose who they want.
Well...it is supposedly decided by someone independent to wru...but I know they can get who they want. 
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The main thing that is missing on the list is branding - the Scarlets brand has had its ups and downs but it is has always tried to remain true to providing entertaining, running rugby, sometimes not succesfully but is renowned across the rugby world for this - our brand. Fans have largely stuck with the club and await the next Renaissance of Scarlets rugby.

The Ospreys brand is now damaged, there we few supporters that turned up at the Liberty and now there are even less. Y11 and Lance Bradley are not favoured by the fans. The annoucement, yesterday that the Ospreys are returning "home to Swansea" next season will not go down well with the new Bridgend area fans.  With the main players exiting this season they are such a long way from when they were the Galacticos. So unless they do a lot of recruiting, onfield they are going to struggle, which will not encourage fans to attend.  If Wales qualify for the World cup and Swansea FC maintain their position more emphasis will be on football than rugby in Swansea and with that competition for season tickets and game attendance.  They have so many problems we fortuneatly don't have
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Reddin prefers keeping Ospreys, RCK prefers us. That’s how I’ve always heard it.
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and here we are, 5 pages in to a new thread talking about the same stuff as the other thread that's nearly 650 pages long ConfusedLOLConfusedLOL
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Well we have the get the numbers up somehow! Wink
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Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Reddin prefers keeping Ospreys, RCK prefers us. That’s how I’ve always heard it.
That was the talk before Reddin visited us. Someone at the club told me that he had commented that he was impressed with our facility and that we were the only team with our own on-site training field, barn and gym. I’m not sure if that would’ve changed his mind, but it does give us a massive advantage in a tendering process. St Helen’s will likely be the worst stadium in the league next season. Possibly the worst in top level professional rugby in Europe; An uncovered old terrace, a very small main stand with no hospitality, and it sounds like there’ll be a new (second hand) temporary stand behind the posts. It’s good that Swansea Council are investing in the pitch and floodlights. That’s beneficial for Swansea RFC and community use even if the Ospreys end up leaving pro men’s rugby, so it’ll  never be money wasted. I don’t think this investment or erecting a temporary stand shifts the goalposts much in terms of the ‘West Licence’ though.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

  1. Population - a tie, it's the same area covered by whoever wins
  2. Schools, university collaboration - see above. 
  3. Facilities and fan experience - we smash it
  4. Potential for corporate sponsorship and hospitality - we smash it
  5. Long term committed backers - we win, I'd say, given Y11's love of a merger or move to Cardiff and their CEO saying it was not viable in St Helens!!
  6. UK based directors, bank accounts and company HQ - we win
  7. Engagement with the community - if bums on seats is a metric, we win
  8. Geographical location and access for future customers - Tricky but St Helens probably edges it.
If I had to bet £50 on the outcome it wouldn't be on the Os
Agree with most of above but not No.8
  I live near Cardiff. I would be parked and walking to Y Parc at the time that I would be still stuck in a traffic jam a few miles from St Helens.. Where to park down there would be another added problem. I would think that most travellers from the east would agree. Ironically, that catchment would include a lot of current Osprey fans.
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Reddin prefers keeping Ospreys, RCK prefers us. That’s how I’ve always heard it.
That was the talk before Reddin visited us. Someone at the club told me that he had commented that he was impressed with our facility and that we were the only team with our own on-site training field, barn and gym. I’m not sure if that would’ve changed his mind, but it does give us a massive advantage in a tendering process. St Helen’s will likely be the worst stadium in the league next season. Possibly the worst in top level professional rugby in Europe; An uncovered old terrace, a very small main stand with no hospitality, and it sounds like there’ll be a new (second hand) temporary stand behind the posts. It’s good that Swansea Council are investing in the pitch and floodlights. That’s beneficial for Swansea RFC and community use even if the Ospreys end up leaving pro men’s rugby, so it’ll  never be money wasted. I don’t think this investment or erecting a temporary stand shifts the goalposts much in terms of the ‘West Licence’ though.
Yes, PYS is truly a gem, and should serve as a community and regional hub for rugby in west Wales. Everything Reddin wants for performance, we have.
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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:


"Ospreys owners still want out"
I initially thought that too until the last day or two and the suggested commitment (Council minutes) by Y11 to fund the new stand, fan zone & broadcast infrastructure. Why commit £1000's if they're out? Is the seemingly commitment legally binding?

If I had to guess - the reason would be that any lawyers fees and delays in quitting contracts etc would far outweigh the cost of this if it means there's a chance they can make any legal action against them unwinnable or prevent it from happening.
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Ospreys don't make money, they don't know if Cardiff will make money (haven't so far). Y11 won't want to carry two loss making businesses. 

They will either shut down or sell up. You'd think any sale would have to happen before the tender. If it's selling to an unknown then there's a downside based on lack of track record. If it's to Rob Davies, that's more problematic but he doesn't have the financial clout and he's already sold up once before (y11 own about 75%?)

Before we get too negative, they're still playing out of a stadium that makes Rodney Parade look modern next season in a curious location. Send the WRU in there to visit at rush hour during term time!

If all else fails it will occur to SCC that selling the Vetch and building on it just around the corner in a far worse area made some people a boat load of.cash.


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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

  1. Population - a tie, it's the same area covered by whoever wins
  2. Schools, university collaboration - see above. 
  3. Facilities and fan experience - we smash it
  4. Potential for corporate sponsorship and hospitality - we smash it
  5. Long term committed backers - we win, I'd say, given Y11's love of a merger or move to Cardiff and their CEO saying it was not viable in St Helens!!
  6. UK based directors, bank accounts and company HQ - we win
  7. Engagement with the community - if bums on seats is a metric, we win
  8. Geographical location and access for future customers - Tricky but St Helens probably edges it.
If I had to bet £50 on the outcome it wouldn't be on the Os
Agree with most of above but not No.8
  I live near Cardiff. I would be parked and walking to Y Parc at the time that I would be still stuck in a traffic jam a few miles from St Helens.. Where to park down there would be another added problem. I would think that most travellers from the east would agree. Ironically, that catchment would include a lot of current Osprey fans.
the stadium hilds 6500 how much of s traffuc jam would  that cause?  games are played on fri nights or sat pm not rush hour, traffc and parking wont be an issue  tnh
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Originally posted by RedMist RedMist wrote:

Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:


"Ospreys owners still want out"
I initially thought that too until the last day or two and the suggested commitment (Council minutes) by Y11 to fund the new stand, fan zone & broadcast infrastructure. Why commit £1000's if they're out? Is the seemingly commitment legally binding?

If I had to guess - the reason would be that any lawyers fees and delays in quitting contracts etc would far outweigh the cost of this if it means there's a chance they can make any legal action against them unwinnable or prevent it from happening.
Whatever happens they have to play somewhere next season.
Chucking a few quid erecting a stand the've already bought and some other improvements is small change. The fanzone will be a marquee type structure. On the submitted plans, phase 1 shows the fanzone as grass, with a legend saying "Covered fan zone". The broadcast infrastructure will be scaffolding. 
We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by RedMist RedMist wrote:

Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:


"Ospreys owners still want out"
I initially thought that too until the last day or two and the suggested commitment (Council minutes) by Y11 to fund the new stand, fan zone & broadcast infrastructure. Why commit £1000's if they're out? Is the seemingly commitment legally binding?

If I had to guess - the reason would be that any lawyers fees and delays in quitting contracts etc would far outweigh the cost of this if it means there's a chance they can make any legal action against them unwinnable or prevent it from happening.
Whatever happens they have to play somewhere next season.
Chucking a few quid erecting a stand the've already bought and some other improvements is small change. The fanzone will be a marquee type structure. On the submitted plans, phase 1 shows the fanzone as grass, with a legend saying "Covered fan zone". The broadcast infrastructure will be scaffolding. 
seasom atarts what seot its nigh on april now even a small refurb is a tight tine frame
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by RedMist RedMist wrote:

Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:


"Ospreys owners still want out"
I initially thought that too until the last day or two and the suggested commitment (Council minutes) by Y11 to fund the new stand, fan zone & broadcast infrastructure. Why commit £1000's if they're out? Is the seemingly commitment legally binding?

If I had to guess - the reason would be that any lawyers fees and delays in quitting contracts etc would far outweigh the cost of this if it means there's a chance they can make any legal action against them unwinnable or prevent it from happening.
Whatever happens they have to play somewhere next season.
Chucking a few quid erecting a stand the've already bought and some other improvements is small change. The fanzone will be a marquee type structure. On the submitted plans, phase 1 shows the fanzone as grass, with a legend saying "Covered fan zone". The broadcast infrastructure will be scaffolding. 
seasom atarts what seot its nigh on april now even a small refurb is a tight tine frame
Yeah, There's not much chance of building anything complex, but who knows, they may have stuff lined up
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Key question here...how much does it cost the Ospreys to use the Brewery Field for another year versus how much have they committed to the St Helens ground for next season.

I'm guessing they might be the same £...this assumes the Ospreys are both Y11 and Rob Davies in this matter ( and not just Rob Davies).
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